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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 17, 2012 11:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Non-Dead The Nighwatchman v. Paul Ryan


Tom Morello
August 16, 2012 6:44 PM ETLast week, Mitt Romney picked Paul Ryan, the Republican architect of Congress's radical right-wing budget plan, as his running mate. Ryan has previously cited Rage Against the Machine as one of his favorite bands. Rage guitarist Tom Morello responds in this exclusive op-ed.

Paul Ryan's love of Rage Against the Machine is amusing, because he is the embodiment of the machine that our music has been raging against for two decades. Charles Manson loved the Beatles but didn't understand them. Governor Chris Christie loves Bruce Springsteen but doesn't understand him. And Paul Ryan is clueless about his favorite band, Rage Against the Machine.

Ryan claims that he likes Rage's sound, but not the lyrics. Well, I don't care for Paul Ryan's sound or his lyrics. He can like whatever bands he wants, but his guiding vision of shifting revenue more radically to the one percent is antithetical to the message of Rage.

I wonder what Ryan's favorite Rage song is? Is it the one where we condemn the genocide of Native Americans? The one lambasting American imperialism? Our cover of "Fuck the Police"? Or is it the one where we call on the people to seize the means of production? So many excellent choices to jam out to at Young Republican meetings!

Don't mistake me, I clearly see that Ryan has a whole lotta "rage" in him: A rage against women, a rage against immigrants, a rage against workers, a rage against gays, a rage against the poor, a rage against the environment. Basically the only thing he's not raging against is the privileged elite he's groveling in front of for campaign contributions.

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night. So, when they look themselves in the mirror, they convince themselves that "Those people are undeserving. They're . . . lesser." Some of these guys on the extreme right are more cynical than Paul Ryan, but he seems to really believe in this stuff. This unbridled rage against those who have the least is a cornerstone of the Romney-Ryan ticket.

But Rage's music affects people in different ways. Some tune out what the band stands for and concentrate on the moshing and throwing elbows in the pit. For others, Rage has changed their minds and their lives. Many activists around the world, including organizers of the global occupy movement, were radicalized by Rage Against the Machine and work tirelessly for a more humane and just planet. Perhaps Paul Ryan was moshing when he should have been listening.

My hope is that maybe Paul Ryan is a mole. Maybe Rage did plant some sensible ideas in this extreme fringe right wing nut job. Maybe if elected, he'll pardon Leonard Peltier. Maybe he'll throw U.S. military support behind the Zapatistas. Maybe he'll fill Guantanamo Bay with the corporate criminals that are funding his campaign – and then torture them with Rage music 24/7. That's one possibility. But I'm not betting on it.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-morello-paul-ryan-is-the-embodiment-of-the-machine-our-music-rages-against-20120816#ixzz23pT5s6JS

One of the most intense live bands I ever saw back in their initial prime...

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Aug 18, 2012 11:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead The Nighwatchman v. Paul Ryan

Obviously Tom Moriello believes that people who like his music or others need to fall in line with the bands politics or they cannot like the music, now I am not defending Paul Ryan or any conservative politics but there is no evidence that Ryan is anti gay or anti anything, he believes what he wants and moriello's op- Ed makes Moriello sound more like joe Stalin and Mao then a thinking human. I don't understand why if you don't believe in everything the hard right or hard left believes in then you are anti something. Moriello is a hard core leftist and while I don't agree with him I would never write something like he did demonizing a man he has never met! This is the problem with American politics as I see it, you either have all or nothing and there is little if no room for compromise on either side and guys like me who are neither extreme left or right find ourselves being disgusted with politics and the no compromise attitude, if you don't like a politician then don't vote for them but the demonizing on both sides gets tiresome after a while and it goes for both parties! Music is not supposed to be a divider but bring people of all beliefs together but I guess mr Moriello only wants extreme leftists at his concerts! Sorry for the rant y'all but I am done with shit like this from both sides, people like Moriello on the left and limbaugh on the right irritate me to no end

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Aug 18, 2012 12:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead The Nighwatchman v. Paul Ryan

Sorry if I went off in that previous post but this bullshit of demonizing people goes for both sides while no one does anything about our unemployment or huge deficit we have. I just wish both parties would lock themselves in a room and compromise to raise taxes to the Clinton level, overhaul social security and Medicare reasonably and then overhaul welfare and bring military spending to a good level where we can defend ourselves and others who need our help. I think if you can do those things you can then tackle the deficit and curb spending and begin to fix our issues but I have a feeling both the dems and repubs will continue demonizing each other and Rome will continue to burn. "move along, nothing to see here!" have a great Saturday everyone and did not mean to be the crazy guy responding to my own post but that Moriello shit teed me off

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 18, 2012 1:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead Shut up and play your geetar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzRbeHyIomk&;feature=related

Remind me again, who are the Koch brothers?

Puzzling evidence ....
http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/House/Wisconsin/Paul_Ryan/Views/Gay_Marriage/

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Aug 18, 2012 1:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead Shut up and play your geetar

He may be against gay marriage but that does not make him anti-gay, where I could care less who anyone marries I don't think that being in favor of traditional marriage makes someone anti-gay! Nice video though blue!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 18, 2012 1:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead Shut up and play your geetar

I agree - this is an interesting take.
http://www.towleroad.com/2012/08/paulari.html

But there is no doubt that Ryan is a pet project of the Koch Brothers - his "budget" is their plan from the 80's. You can take the following with a grain of salt, but this is the ire behind Morello's post (who was involved with The Koch Brothers Exposed documentary and has been politically active his entire life - like those other Harvard graduates (where Tom went) running for President)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/14/1119752/-Paul-Ryan-Using-Koch-Brothers-1980-s-Privatization-Plot

On a lighter note - "snarky":
http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0815_romney.pdf

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Aug 18, 2012 1:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead Shut up and play your geetar

I think I agree with you blue I was just really turned off by moriello's article to me he is as far to the left as Ryan is to the right and I hate that shit I just want more centrist and compromising people in office but that is just me

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Poster: JackDog Date: Aug 20, 2012 10:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead Shut up and play your geetar

The problem with your thinking is that the far left is about helping people and the far right is about hurting people. There is no comparison.

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Aug 20, 2012 10:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead Shut up and play your geetar

Sorry jack if you really believe that then good luck, to me it is a bunch of horseshit that the dems care more that is funny!

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Poster: JackDog Date: Aug 21, 2012 9:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead Shut up and play your geetar

You obviously don't follow politics.

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Aug 21, 2012 9:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead Shut up and play your geetar

Whatever Jack keep on your pipe dream the parties love your loyalty. Neither party cares about helping people so please get off your high horse and come down to earth! Just FYI I follow politics closely and the fact that you made the comment that I don't follow them closely because I don't believe the dems help people more just shows your own ignorance and loyalty to the dems, but keep believing that I hope it helps you! Hahahaha

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 21, 2012 10:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead Shut up and play your geetar

Don't have to follow politics to realize that they are all dicks and pussies. We, of course, are the assholes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cV_q-mVAAA

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Aug 21, 2012 11:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead Shut up and play your geetar

I could not have said it better SDH! Thank you!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 21, 2012 11:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead Shut up and play your geetar

Thank you for that - and because it led me back to this greatness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&;v=Pi7gwX7rjOw&feature=fvwp

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Poster: billydlions Date: Aug 18, 2012 2:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead Shut up and play your geetar

Hey BD,

So what's wrong with giving someone the option to invest our social security in something other than the status quo? How's that working out? It's an option that can be declined by anyone. In terms of scare tactics about losing all of your money the last time I checked the Dow is higher than the crash in 2007 that bush/Cheney caused (someone please explain what they did to cause the crash). It's amazing how liberals think they own the truth but the facts seem to always get in their way. Fuck off Rage against the Machine- go live in Venezuela!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 18, 2012 6:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead Shut up and play your geetar

Not until Chavez gives up control.

To steal from an old post:

http://www01.us.archive.org/post/177984/barak-obama

"If you're listening to a rock star in order to get your information on who to vote for, you're a bigger moron than they are." ~ Alice Cooper.

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Poster: Deadhead225 Date: Aug 18, 2012 2:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead The Nighwatchman v. Paul Ryan

I think if you check your tax returns and personal financial statements a little more closely you will find that Obama is more of a rich guy than Ryan. I don't think politics has any real place in a Dead forum but in all fairness to both - you should note the net worth of Obama is greater than Ryan.

Where is the 3rd party? If ever there was a time for that it is now. With 3 Mos give or take until the election it's too late now.

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Poster: Round Robin Date: Aug 18, 2012 5:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead The Nighwatchman v. Paul Ryan

Any republicans here condoning the voter suppression by their party? Why isn't mitt releasing his tax info? Why do the republicans shoot everything down that obama tries to get done in government, purely because he's not one of them (they all had a meeting the day he was inaugurated to try and block everything the democrats come up with regardless of what effect it would have on the country, to try and make sure he's a one term president). Why aren't more people up in arms about that in your country? I'm from the UK and not saying we're any better at all.

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Aug 18, 2012 6:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead The Nighwatchman v. Paul Ryan

Please this is the shit I am talking about, blame this and that instead of getting things done. You don't think the dems blocked a ton of shit after they took the house, it is the same bullshit all the time, blame the other party for what you can't get done. The repubs and the dems do this all the time, there is no difference between the parties, read the new article from Bloomberg about Mitt and Obama and their vision for America, excellent article and it shows they both want to borrow from peter to pay Paul, NOTHING CHANGESbetween the both. If each party stops blaming the other an honestly sits down and finds common ground this could get fixed. But when the ideologues constantly want to blame each other for the problems instead of coming up with ways to fix it then we are up shits creek and BOTH parties are to blame, they have both suppressed voting and done enough bad things to fill an encyclopedia, neither is more evil then the other, they both suck and deadhead225 is right if ther was ever a time for a 3rd party now would be it!

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Poster: Round Robin Date: Aug 19, 2012 1:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead The Nighwatchman v. Paul Ryan

I have a limited knowledge of this but can you give a couple examples of when democrats have done anything like I mentioned above? I did read that the democrats use to filibuster some stuff but then they both agreed not to use that unless it was something they really disagreed on? Now the republicans are using it every chance they can. To me, it seems the republicans are far worse, you wouldn't get democrats messing with poll open hours or changing voting requirements this close to an election. If I'm wrong please correct me.

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Aug 19, 2012 5:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead The Nighwatchman v. Paul Ryan

I don't want to do this because it makes me sound like I am defending the repubs and I am not but where is the voter suppression? Are you discussing showing id at a voting booth? If that is the case then that to me is not suppression, we should have to show id at the polls I have no problem with that, now I will agree these repubs are trying to block a lot since they took over and to me that is childish but that is only the house, if the dems want something they still control the senate and can force the house into some sort of compromise, there is nothing anyone can do about a filabuster it is constitutionally protected. My point is let's not constantly yell like kids that it is the dems or the repubs fault, to me they are both equally evil and both parties only care about there own self serving interests, does anyone really think nancy pelosi, steny hoyer, mitch McConnell or John boehner gives a crap about the people? They are sacred cows and sacred cows only care about themselves! To say one party is worse than the other is what they want you to think! They both suck and it is time for a middle of the road, compromising 3 rd party to rise! Sorry Robin not trying to start a fight just extremely frustrated with the way the dems and repubs run our gov!

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Poster: Round Robin Date: Aug 19, 2012 5:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead The Nighwatchman v. Paul Ryan

Yeah the ID thing, I agree you should need ID to vote, waiting till now to start changing it up is pretty bad. Interesting to read your post, for politics news over your way I usually just watch MSNBC with O'Donnell and Maddow.

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Aug 19, 2012 6:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead The Nighwatchman v. Paul Ryan

Unfortunately watching o'donnell and maddow is the same as watching limbaugh and hannity all 4 have an ax to grind and are pushing an extreme view but I have given up on most news outlets and I just have to draw my own conclusions on things and this is where I have come too, interesting discussion robin! Have a great rest of your weekend across the pond!

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Poster: billydlions Date: Aug 19, 2012 6:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead The Nighwatchman v. Paul Ryan

I agree with just about everything you've posted on this topic, well done! I try and read columnists on both sides that I find to be sensible such as Richard Cohen or David Brooks. David Broder was excellent (RIP). Dana Milbank and Krauthammer are more opinionated but I enjoy their columns as well.

I just like to give that asshole Bluedevil a hard time. I think he and Obama should release their college transcripts so we can see how smart they really are. How 'bout it BD?

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Aug 19, 2012 7:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead The Nighwatchman v. Paul Ryan

One of my favorite columnists is Thomas Sowell

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/08/14/the_paul_ryan_choice

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 19, 2012 10:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead The Nighwatchman v. Paul Ryan

I'll release all that I'm legally required to release and all that "you people" are entitled to see.

For Monte: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h62m4d4MmA

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: Aug 19, 2012 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: very-Dead -- but who's watching? who cares?

Re: Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell, Al Sharpton, Ed Shultz and MSNBC

MSNBC (and NBC Universal, CNBC, and the NBC network) are owned by GE (General Electric). GE is a defense contractor, a nuclear bomb tester, and a financial services outfit. Then they got into the business of taking over Big Media and news outlets. GE defense, nuclear - Googled for you.

On Jan 28, 2011, Comcast Corp completed its takeover of NBC Universal, creating a $30 billion media behemoth that controls not just how television shows and movies are made but how they are delivered to people's homes. Comcast, the No. 1 provider of video and residential Internet service in the United States, acquired a 51 percent stake in NBC Universal from General Electric. Executives at Comcast spent more than 13 months working on getting the deal through a rigorous U.S. regulatory review process with the Federal Communications Commission and Justice Department.
Phil Donahue - fired by MSNBC in 2003, due to anti-war reporting
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0227-04.htm

Keith Olbermann's Countdown - "forced out" by MSNBC in Jan, 2011
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#41201922

Cenk Uygur - "forced out" by MSNBC in July, 2011
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/22/rejecting_lucrative_offer_cenk_uygur_leaves
People don't hear about important issues anymore. They hear these negative charges, which only turn them off more. The more negative stuff you hear, the less interested you are in going out to vote. And so they're being turned off and the stations are raking it in. The people in Washington, DC and the big banks are the ones who get to keep their hands on the levers of power.

So one of the big reasons that things are at the pass they are is that America's founders never could have anticipated that a small group of people, a financial enterprise and the technology could create this environment. Facts, truth, accountability, and stuff like that just aren't entertaining. So because news is not entertaining, because the stations think news ratings are poisonous, they don't cover the news. No one saw this coming. America's founders never imagined the digital information age and its corporate takeover.

But there was a time in which the press, the print press, news on television and radio were speaking truth to power, people paid attention, and it made a difference. I don't think the Watergate trials would have happened, the Senate hearings, had there not been the kind of commitment from the news to cover the news. - http://archive.org/post/422388/should-romney-court-deadheads-like-obama-did

The political square is now a commercial enterprise, owned and operated for the benefit of the brand, CNN, Fox, MSNBC, Comcast, and all of those. The News has become irrelevant. How did this happen? How did we sell what belonged to everyone?

We did it by believing that what we have now is the way things have always been, and this is what it should be. The notion that what goes on is actually made by people, changes through time, and represents the deployment of political power — that notion has gone away. Today, Americans think, "it's always been this way." People are watching fake-news programs on CNN (owned by Time Warner), MSNBC (owned by Comcast and General Electric), and Fox (owned by Rupert Murdoch). Americans think this is how it works. Americans no longer have a sense of history. Many Americans today have no idea where stuff comes from, and no idea how stuff works.

This is amnesia which has been deliberately cultivated by journalism, and by the Entertainment Corporations in this country. It helps prevent people from saying, "Wait a minute, that's the wrong path to be on."

In other words, WE'RE SCREWED! -- http://billmoyers.com/episode/full-show-big-money-big-media-big-trouble/

Re: Jer on politics, instead of Tom Morello...

Grateful Dead's Rain Forrest Benefit show was played on Sept 24, 1988 at Madison Square Garden
19880924_1633.jpg
http://archive.org/details/gd1988-09-24.121064.NeumannKMF4.daweez.d5scott.flac16

High Times INTERVIEW: JERRY GARCIA (1989)

In 1988, scientists predicted, at the rate of present destruction, all rainforests will be gone by the year 2050, just sixty years from today. Tropical rainforests are the richest, oldest, most productive, and most complex ecosystems on earth. While they comprise only two percent of the globe, they support an estimated five million plant, animal, and insect species, as well as many indigenous people who can survive nowhere else.

On Tuesday, September 13, 1988, Jerry Garcia, Bob Weir, and Mickey Hart from the Grateful Dead, as well as Dr. Jason Clay, the director of Cultural Survival, Peter Bahouth, the Chairman of Greenpeace USA, and Randall Hayes, the Director of the Rainforest Action Network, sat down at the panel in conference room four of the United Nations and alerted the world's press to the horror of the vanishing rain forest. When asked why the Grateful Dead was getting into the act and helping to publicize the plight of the rainforest, Jerry Garcia answered in his own inimitable style, "It seems pathetic that it has to be us, with all the other citizens of the planet, and all the other resources out there, but since no one else is doing anything about it, we don't really have any choice."

HIGH TIMES hooked up with Jerry back at his hotel room and asked him to elaborate on his role in speaking out in defense of the rainforest a few days before the Dead's benefit concert at Madison Square Garden in New York City. Below are a few excerpts...

Jer: Bob starts to talk me into it. The whole thing metamorphosed into finally getting the groups that were willing to work together -- which turned out to be Greenpeace, the Rainforest Coalition, and the Indigenous Peoples. These guys are all pretty far out on the fringe. You know Greenpeace -- they're the guys that go out there and nail themselves to a tree. That kind of direct action is what we're looking for. We want it to be as easy to understand as possible.

The rainforest problem seems so remote. It's like, there's no rainforest around here. Who's it bothering? It really is scary, because we started first hearing the bad news about this 20 years ago. They said, "We gotta do something about the rainforest. They're burning it down -- they're tearing it up even as we talk." Now, here it is 20 years later, and sure enough, the rainforests are almost all gone now. Fifty years -- they'll all be gone. That's it. Fifty years is not a long time anymore. That's in the life span of my kids.

High Times: You've made the statement that you think it's pretty pathetic that you're the ones who have to do it.

Jer: Yeah, it is. It's an alarming feeling. This is an earth problem -- the whole earth. And who's left talking about it? Us.

Come on! We're not the ones. We're not qualified to do it. But we're going to do it unless, or until, somebody else does. We're going to keep working on it. We're going to get as much support from as many people as we possibly can. We're committed to it, so if that's what it takes, that's what it takes. We're pretty serious about it.

High Times: Do you think people are getting more concerned? What have the reactions to what you've been doing been like?

Jer: People are amazed that this is still an issue. "Oh, really? Is that still happening?" They're also amazed to find out how close we are to the end of this -- we're not going to have this to talk about much longer. That's the scary part. The other part is that everybody feels remote and powerless -- it's something going on between those huge companies somewhere in Brazil and what can we do? It's so distant. So, after we've done this show, and followed this money to the work that it's supposed to accomplish, and come back and say, "Well look, we've raised a million dollars at this show. We accomplished this, this, and this; that, that, and that."

There is something you can do -- it's just a matter of just knocking them over one at a time. We've been advised now to focus on these areas. Each one will pull our focus a little tighter, so that we know a little more each time. This is something that has to be learned -- nobody knows it yet. So we're going in the spirit of an ongoing learning situation which will tell us how to deal with it. read the full High Times interview with Jer in 1989

read about the Grateful Dead's roots and their Greenpeace connection

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Poster: b42l0ng Date: Aug 17, 2012 5:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead The Nighwatchman v. Paul Ryan

Tom Morrello and his aliases are jerk-offs.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 18, 2012 9:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Where are the votes picked up with this revelation?

Which women? The big ones or the little ones?

O.K. have at it. (opensecrets.org) 2112 donations to date

1) Adelson Drug Clinic $22,081,600 all to (R)
2) Las Vegas Sands $20,493,350 all to (R)
3) Contran Corp $19,120,800 18(D)/82 (R)
4) Perry Homes $12,173,900 1 (D)/ 99(R)
5) National Education A. $6,806,542 93(D)/ 7 (R)
6) Goldman Sachs $5,448,003 27(D)/ 73 (R)
7) S.E.I.U. $5,013,592 all (D)
8) Bain Capital $4,678,878 42(D)/ 58 (R)
9) AFSCME $4,235,500 all (D)
10)National Assn Realtors $4,069,474 46(D)/54(R)

Heave away boys, heave away! http://tinyurl.com/49vlbp

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